If God cannot be blamed for such moments of evil, His priests and prophets at least have a case to answer.
So what might they say? That religion is unfairly blamed -- and that we should look to other factors? Admit that there are problems but argue that on balance the good outweighs the bad? That there is no alternative; that people need religion like they need air?
Video recorded: August 19, 2008
St James Ethics Centre - Sydney, Australia
For the motion: Lyn Allison, Richard Ackland, and Vic Stenger
Against the motion: Ian Plimer, Suzanne Rutland, and John Lennox







Debate amazingly had no effect to change minds?
After viewing this thorough, lengthy and convincing debate, I was shocked that more people didn't change their viewpoint. The people attending must have "fossilized" their views. If this were shown in schools among younger audiences, I think the conviction and knowledge shown by the debaters for the motion would win "converts" over from the religious camp. No one mentioned Bertrand Russell's book "Why I Am Not A Christian", or that morals and ethics evolved in our animal forebears millions of years before religion entered the picture. Religion has traditionally been used as a crutch to support some notion of purpose where none exists. Religion has always backpedalled as science has advanced. From geocentrism to heliocentrism, ethics as solely the domain of religions to a true understanding of its origins in the animal kingdom, religious arguments have failed to convince the real thinkers out there. Please see http://www.edge.org to see where modern thinkers stand on this issue. Become informed, for mental vacuousness breeds propaganda and dogma.
Darwin was a keen observer and theorist and his theory is PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt. The only reason it is still called a theory is because it can't be proven in the same way a mathematical theorem can. That is a problem with semantics, NOT the science!